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The Owen Jones Podcast

SNP's Kate Forbes Crashes and Burns

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2023

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Oh dear oh dear. Kate Forbes was the anointed successor to Nicola Sturgeon as Scotland's First Minister - by much of the media, anyway - but her campaign immediately went into meltdown when she revealed she'd have voted against equal marriage. How can a social conservative possibly be leader of an ostensibly progressive party - and how can someone who opposes civil rights for same-sex couples lead one of our nations?

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0:00.0

Oof, oh dear, oh dear, quite the spectacular inflation for this particular politician.

0:06.9

So Kate Forbes, for those who don't know, the SMP finance minister, was supposed to

0:12.1

have the job of successor to Nicholas Sturgeon, who of course is the now departing First

0:16.4

Minister of Scotland firmly in the bag.

0:18.8

In fact, the inevitability of it was decreed by various London newspapers who clearly had

0:24.6

their fingers on the pulse.

0:26.7

And then she went and spoiled it all by saying something stupid about gay people.

0:31.5

So basically she declared, in let's just emphasise this, the bid for the leadership of an

0:38.7

ostensibly socially progressive party, that she would have voted against the equal rights,

0:45.7

the civil rights of LGBTQ people, specifically not to support equal marriage, which she defines

0:53.1

as the unsplot, she doesn't define equal marriage as anything, she doesn't support it,

0:57.8

or she wouldn't have voted for it, but because she defines marriage as something that only

1:01.4

happens between a man and a woman, let's just hear what she said.

1:04.6

Marriage being between a man and a woman, that is what I practise, but I will not roll back

1:10.1

on any rights that already exist in Scotland.

1:14.9

If you were about at the time where you were able to legislate on, that's been gone now,

1:19.0

but you would have voted against that then because of your beliefs.

1:21.5

I would have, and I think the example that's worth talking about here is Angla Merkel.

1:26.8

Under Angla Merkel's leadership, she held a vote on same-sex marriage, she implemented

1:35.0

the results of that vote to introduce the legal right to equal marriage, but she voted

1:41.0

in line with her conscience.

1:42.6

So what she's saying here, just to be clear, is that she believes same-sex relationships

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