Snowball - Episode 6: Stakeout

Deep Cover Presents: Snowball

Pushkin Industries

True Crime, History

4.3 • 3.8K Ratings

🗓️ 8 December 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Ollie and Simon have criss-crossed California to find themselves parked in their American muscle car
staking out exits from a supermarket they think Lezlie works in. They may only have one shot to talk to
her and finally get some answers.

In preparation, Ollie speaks with psychologist and professional poker player Maria Konnikova, who tells him the real meaning of the term "con artist". Her most potent tip is to beware the charm offensive...and be prepared to use it in return.

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey, it's Jake. What are you doing on December 19th?
0:07.8	Because I have an invitation for you. Join us for Deep Cover's special live event. It's in Boston
0:14.6	at WBUR's City Space. My season six co-host, Jess McHugh, will be joining me to talk about the truth about Sarah.
0:24.3	We'll share never-before-heard audio, give updates on what's happened in our story since our season
0:30.0	ended, and we'll answer questions from the audience. Plus, in the spirit of the season,
0:35.1	we'll highlight some organizations that are doing great work with veterans
0:39.1	so people can give in real time.
0:42.1	I'm excited, and I hope you'll join us.
0:44.3	Get tickets at WBUR.org slash events. Pushkin.
1:00.2	This episode contains occasional course language.
1:06.9	Here we go.
1:08.8	Oh man, it's like game day for a sports person that's been training for ages,
1:13.4	but only as 30 seconds on the field to kind of prove themselves.
1:18.9	My brother Simon and I are in our ridiculous American muscle car.
1:23.3	After months of investigating, today might be the day I come face to face with Leslie Mnukian.
1:29.3	You know how sometimes people say that they have butterflies in their stomach?
1:33.1	Well, I reckon mine's more like bats flying out of a cave, all heaps of them at once.
1:39.2	The trail has led me to this small Californian town called San Luis Obispo.
1:46.0	Leslie was spotted restocking shelves in a supermarket here in the last year or so, so we're on our way to that supermarket.
1:51.1	All right, microphones in the incognito position down in the center of the car, sitting in between
1:56.2	Simon and I. Hope you guys can hear us okay. All the people have been speaking to from her past.
2:01.6	They all say Leslie won't talk.
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