Snowball - Episode 5: Black Widow

Deep Cover Presents: Snowball

Pushkin Industries

True Crime, History

4.3 • 3.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Ollie and Simon follow the trail of broken dreams and failed restaurants to Paso Robles, California. Ollie discovers his former sister-in-law has manufactured an image of a successful restauranteur in Hawaii, Lake Tahoe and New Zealand. Her exotic CV and exciting stories pull a new family into her web... with disastrous consequences.

Finally, they get a tip-off that might lead them directly to Lezlie. Her lies may be about to catch up to
her.

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey, it's Jake. What are you doing on December 19th?
0:07.8	Because I have an invitation for you. Join us for Deep Cover's special live event. It's in Boston
0:14.6	at WBUR's City Space. My season six co-host, Jess McHugh, will be joining me to talk about the truth about Sarah.
0:24.3	We'll share never-before-heard audio, give updates on what's happened in our story since our season
0:30.0	ended, and we'll answer questions from the audience. Plus, in the spirit of the season,
0:35.1	we'll highlight some organizations that are doing great work with veterans
0:39.1	so people can give in real time.
0:42.1	I'm excited, and I hope you'll join us.
0:44.3	Get tickets at WBUR.org slash events. Pushkin
0:56.2	This episode contains occasional course language
1:03.6	And we've used some voice actors to bring emails to life
1:07.7	I've been trying to understand how my brother's ex-wife, Leslie Manukian thinks.
1:15.2	My journey so far has been like tunneling through the Matrix.
1:19.7	I've been gradually digging deeper into the world Leslie lives in.
1:25.4	Actually, it's kind of like two worlds. It seems like Leslie has a fantasy world where she
1:30.7	invents characters and a Hollywood movie about her life. But she also lives in the real world,
1:37.2	where people like my brother Greg are drawn into her spirals.
1:46.6	Greg called me the other day. drawn into her spirals. I was absolutely like the sitting duck, mate.
1:50.3	Greg called me the other day, and I guess he's been thinking about that too.
1:58.1	Like, who's the most prime target for an American female con artist with black hair?
2:00.8	It's Greg wards.
2:02.4	You couldn't have lined it up better.
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