Not all innovation deserves to exist, and much of it shouldn't have never been built in the first place.

Hello, Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, a podcast that can't stand, the Alexa's and the Google Homes and all the smart gadgets that seem to be invading our lives.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and today I'm speaking with Jathan Sadowski.

Jathan is the author of Too Smart,

how digital capitalism is extracting data, controlling our lives, and taking over the world.

He's also a research fellow in the Emerging Technologies Research Lab at Monash University, and he's written for a number of publications, including One Zero, Real Life, and The Guardian.

Today we talk about his book and how he outlines how smart technology is fueling a digital capitalism that's invading our lives,

our homes, and our cities, and what that really means for all of us who are living with all

these technologies around us. If you like our conversation, please leave a five-star review on

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much and enjoy the conversation. Jathan, welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. Thanks for having me, Paris.

Happy to be here.

Yeah, thanks so much.

So I wanted to speak with you because you have this fantastic book that came out recently called Too Smart,

where you really dig into the smart technologies that are increasingly taking over our lives

and becoming ever present in the way that we live.

So I think this is really important to speak

about, especially from the really critical perspective that you bring to it. You begin the book by

laying out your ideas on digital capitalism and how smart technologies really play into that and

make that possible. So did you just want to start by kind of giving us a broad overview of your

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