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This is CBS. I on the world. I'm John Batchler. Welcomeing back, Gene Marks, the small business

columnist for the Guardian newspaper,

UK and U.S. edition, our hometown newspaper, the paper of the Philadelphia Inquirer and other

distinguished publications, returned from the Associated General Contractors of Wisconsin.

Gene, a very good evening, too. Now, this all brings everything together about where are we in the economic cycle?

Because builders are family formation.

Family formation is spending at Home Depot and other distinguished publications.

Catalogs that arrive in the mail.

It's also children.

It's private school, nursery school. It's everything. It's also children. It's private school, nursery school.

It's everything. It's two cars. So if the contractors aren't happy, the country's economy is not

happy. What did you learn in Wisconsin? Well, it's not great. That's to start with John. And by the way,

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