I'm Tom Batchel. This is CBSI on the world. Gene Marx is here, my colleague, small business

columnist for The Guardian and the Philadelphia Enquirer and other distinguished publications.

Work from home. It is now a battle. I learned from the news in these last days that the head

of the union that represents the vast workforce of the federal government. It's ready to go

to war about this because the employers are demanding return. The federal government

is demanding return. If you've been to Washington recently or any time in the last two years,

there are whole sections of the city that seem to be abandoned, post-apocalyptic without

fire. And that is because people are working

from home there's measures that say they're efficient or more efficient happier with their jobs

but jean your thoughts about this are iconoclastic please explain well you would think first of all, as a business owner, I'd be more on the side of get

those employees back to work and make them work in the office and all that.

And it's actually not true.

I mean, you're right, John, the federal government, well, actually, it's Elon Musk and Vizek

Boston Johnny.

They're with their efficiency thing, they're going to recommend to the president that he requires all workers, federal workers, to come working from him.

John, in our city of Philadelphia, Cheryl Parker or mayor, she had a mandate to bring all the city workers back into the office, which I kind of get.

You know, you work for the city of Philadelphia.

I do think you should be in the city of Philadelphia working at your office.

I mean, I think that's fair enough. But other companies, big brands, Starbucks, Apple, Amazon, Disney, you know, all have had these

mandates to bring their workers back to the office in some cases full time.

And workers are,

you know, some of them are resisting and they're complaining about it. And John, I feel like,

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