Welcome to part two of our conversation with Tanner Rutledge about talking with dead.

Let's talk about, we're talking about thought forms very briefly earlier, and sometimes

that developing a personality. That's an interesting concept there. I mean, it's almost kind of

implying that the living can haunt the living by their energy and what they're putting out there.

Do you believe that sometimes the manifestations or the communications that we're getting are not dead people?

They're not demons.

They're not angels.

It's literally our energy that has somehow manifested itself elsewhere.

I think it's possible.

The big attraction to this field and to investigating the paranormal in general is because

there's so much that's unknown.

It's really the last frontier that anyone can look into.

And when I say anyone, I mean like anyone that's got a recorder or who is curious,

there's questions out there that need an answer.

And when it comes to thought forms, if we look back in the 1970s to the Philip experiment,

it was the Toronto Paras Psychological Research Society conducted Philip experiment. It was a, what was it, the Toronto Paras Psychological Research Society,

conducted an experiment where they created a fictional character.

They called him Philip.

I don't remember the last name they gave him,

but he was from the 1600s.

And he,

they gave him this backstory with, with a tragic past that eventually led to

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