Hello and welcome to the this should be free edition of sleep money, your guide to the

business and finance news of the week. We are a free podcast.

You can get us anywhere that good podcasts have found,

but we are not totally independent and free in a way that Wikipedia is,

because Wikipedia doesn't even have ads.

I'm afraid we do have ads.

So that's the difference between us and Wikipedia.

We are going to have a deep dive into exactly how Wikipedia works and what it does with Catherine Marr.

Great to be here.

Catherine Maher's in for, you just got off a plane from somewhere.

You're about to get on a plane to somewhere else.

But in between planes, Catherine's made it to Brooklyn, New York, to record this is going to be an awesome episode of

Slate Money, all about the information economy.

We're going to talk about Wikipedia, obviously.

We are also going to be talking about like the anti-Wikipedia, which is Elsevier,

which is this big Dutch company that makes a whole bunch of money off research that was all funded by taxpayers.

And how dare they?

And we are going to talk about crypto wars, which is the inevitable consequence of the Facebook

pivot to privacy.

Do we believe that Facebook is going to pivot to privacy?

Emily is shaking her head.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

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