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Hey, cultivated listeners. I couldn't be more excited to have my guest today be Skip and Tim Shel Mathini from Roman Candle.

There's a pine wall for sitting on a hollily. He seems to have the whole morning out right in front of him and everything he

sings from the branch that he's sitting on it seems to hush the leaves and the colors all around

now first he sings and then he goes and what it means it's hard to know.

From Harbor Media, you're listening to Cultivated,

conversations about faith and work.

Today, it's Roman Candle Day,

the band you're listening to right now,

whose song we've been using as our theme song. We talk about being a husband and wife and a band,

about why so much of Christian music sucks, and about how their faith has changed and shifted over the years, and we'll get to listen to some of their music along the way.

Now why can't you stay with me? Why don't you tell me? music along the way. We met her own We're going to the wind and then they just can't move it on.

We met on an outward bound program in the high Cierras.

I was going to be a senior in high school, and Skip was a Moorhead at Carolina, and that was part of the Moorhead Scholarship.

So we met there and just immediately

hit off as really good friends and then went home and tried to date other people and called

each other and we're like, we should get married. We were a total baby girl. I mean, like, yeah,

she was 17 or other, I was 18. So we were, I mean, we were absolute babies. And yeah, it was

the summer before my freshman year in college. And we met in the Fresno Airport like that was where you met. Then you went into the Mount Whitney country or

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