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secure. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Radical Cander podcast. I'm Kim Scott, the co-founder of

Radical Cander and also Just Work. And I'm Jason Roseoff, CEO and co-founder of Radical Cander.

And I'm Amy Sandler, your host for the Radical Kander podcast.

Before we jump in today, I want to start with a moment of silence for the people of Ukraine.

As a lot of you may know, and probably a lot of you don't know, I studied, I started my career in Russia.

In fact, my first management experience was in Moscow, and I was hiring diamond cutting workers,

and I thought it was going to be easy to hire them. I thought all I needed to do was pay them.

And it turned out it wasn't so easy. They didn't just

want money. They wanted to know that someone cared about them enough to get them out if their

government went sideways. I also spent a lot of time in Ukraine. I spent a lot of time in

Harcov working with a factory that used to make tanks that was starting

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