You're listening to serious inquiries only. Oh, Hello and welcome to Series Inquiries only this episode 145. I'm your host Thomas Smith and as I told you last week,

this is sort of a sequel to Part 2 with Amy Terrice and it was unexpected so that's why the edit was a little weird last time but I think

you'll see why this was about an hour of talking about me too.

It's an interesting and at times kind of heated discussion, I'll say, but I don't want to give away really anything else.

I have some thoughts afterward if you'll stay tuned.

But with that said, let's get right over to the interview with Amy Torese on Me Too. The latter half of what I was going to say perhaps might unseat you or make you feel a little bit uncomfortable but I think it's in a productive,

it's a productive tension.

I do think that sometimes when you, not you personally, but when people are particularly passionate about certain issues and I often see this from

especially from passionate liberals is sometimes there's a confusion of the method with the underlying aims.

And so unfortunately there will often be left critique that looks at something like me too and offers really insightful and

useful credit like criticism from a left perspective but far too often people sort of center and liberal

types and I'm not saying you do this but I'm saying it is something that happens

quite regularly they will just assume that any criticism of me too is one

that's fundamentally premised on an in-egallitarian worldview that doesn't take

gender issues seriously they will assume that you object to

the underlying like goals of me to or the underlying principles of it as opposed to actually offering a productive left criticism. So someone

like my friend Heidi Matthews has been making a really principled left critique of me too

from the very beginning and in essence the

idea is that quite often what happens in these particular moments is we end up getting

quite we end up getting policy measures that are hastily thought through and have quite

reactionary or conservative outcomes. And a perfect example is something like that might be something like the

foster Cesta legislation. I don't know how much you is something like that might be something like the foster

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