Hello and welcome to the G0 World Podcast.

This is where you can find extended versions of my show on public television.

I'm Ian Bremmer, and I'm coming to you again from Davos, Switzerland, where I've been

meeting with heads of state and business leaders and the other totally normal people who

gather each year at the World Economic Forum.

Today's conversation is with one of the most interesting leaders I sat down with this week,

Singapore's president, Tharman Shanmogaratnam.

Singapore sits in an unusually challenging place in today's world.

It's a close security partner of the United States at a time when Washington is increasingly confrontational and unpredictable. Singapore's

economy is also deeply tied to China, even as U.S.-China relations continue to fracture.

Now, for a small country at a global crossroads, managing that tension is far from abstract.

It is central to its survival. And yet the city-state has continued to flourish as a global hub for finance and trade and technology.

Singapore, for instance, has some of the most advanced real-world adoption of artificial intelligence anywhere.

So let's get to it.

Here's my conversation with Singapore's president. President Tharman, Shannmogratman, so nice to see you.

Wonderful to see you.

Wonderful to see you, Ian.

This is not our first rodeo here, but it does feel like it's the most uncertain, the most disruptive.

Would you agree with that?

Well, I think by any objective assessment, this is a moment in global history where all the old verities are now past us.

And we don't know where we're heading to.

In other words, this is not a transition to some new world order.

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