Hello, hello and welcome to this week's Sunday Chops. Mickey here, hoping very much that you've

enjoyed your weekend and had some sun on your face, got some joy in your heart. Hold onto

that because we're about to talk Ukraine and also the fees around artificial intelligence. So,

you know, keep that jury close, keep that jury close. I am however chatting to Susie Madigan,

who is an absolute delight. She has also seen you humanitarian advisor on gender and

protection at international humanitarian charity care international and a human right specialist

who's worked as an international humanitarian aid worker for 15 years within the UN and NGOs.

So basically when it comes to humanitarian crises and their responses, Susie very much knows her

shit. And the name probably rings a bell because I chatted to her in spring last year about the

then fairly new war on Ukraine. Susie is recently back from a trip to Ukraine to meet with the women

led organisations doing a lot of the heavy lifting in keeping the country running, given the amount

of the male population that has been conscripted to fight. We chat about how things are on the ground,

what these brilliant women are doing and their concerns now and for what happens after the war.

Susie is also founder and author of the machine race and ongoing series of essays

investigate artificial intelligence and what it means for Joe and Joe in public. Now if you think

in Angon, that seems a bit of a mix, her interest in AI comes from her humanitarian work. Susie has

witnessed firsthand how inequalities and biases can lead to people ending up in conflicts not

of their making and suffering much more in disaster situations. And yet as citizens are

understanding of AI is mostly pretty limited, I mean either between being wild by what it can achieve

and terrified by what it can achieve, yes pepperoni hugs for AI generated other I am looking at you

again. And so with the machine race Susie is hoping to demystify and in doing so help democratise

AI because it is happening people and it is happening fast. Just a note, not because I think

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