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The Way Out Is In

Silence (Episode #94)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Self-improvement, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2025

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino explore the importance of silence and its role in personal transformation and spiritual practice.  They further discuss noble silence in the Plum Village tradition – a fundamental practice that allows for deep reflection, self-awareness, and connection with the present moment; silence as a space that enables practitioners to listen deeply; the challenges of silence; the contrast between the mainstream emphasis on productivity, noise, and external validation, and the Buddhist approach of valuing stillness, presence, and inner listening as a path to true well-being and happiness; silence as a means to engage more deeply with life, rather than as an escape; embodied listening; and more.  The episode concludes with an invitation to take time for silent reflection and to explore the transformative power of silence in our lives. Enjoy! Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resourcesInterbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing    Being with Busyness: Zen Ways to Transform Overwhelm and Burnouthttps://www.parallax.org/product/being-with-busyness/   Calm in the Storm: Zen Ways to Cultivate Stability in an Anxious Worldhttps://www.parallax.org/product/calm-in-the-storm/  Buddha Path https://buddhapath.com ‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village    Brother Spirithttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-phap-linh  Brother Phap Unghttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-chan-phap-ung  ‘Three Resources Explaining the Plum Village Tradition of Lazy Days’https://plumvillage.app/three-resources-explaining-the-plum-village-tradition-of-lazy-days/  Tao Te Ching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching Bimbisarahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimbisara Devadattahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadatta Quotes “When we learn to allow ourselves to be in silence, the silence becomes delicious because it gives us an immense feeling of spaciousness. But silence is also very scary if we are not trained in it – scary because we get to see our restlessness.”  “The silence that we are learning to cultivate is the stillness that we all need.”  “When we engage with the world, we don’t know how to be silent. That is not engaged Buddhism. That is not applied Buddhism. So the middle way is very important. Silence is not to suppress or to bypass what is going on; in our practice, there’s a space and time for everything.” “Silence allows us spaces of deep reflection. Silence is also to hear ourselves.” “Noble silence is the silence of being present.” “There’s a lot to learn in silence, and a lot to discover, as well as to celebrate.”  “The silence of listening is an art form and a practice of embodied listening. And that means that we’re not just listening with our minds, but that we need to learn to listen with our whole body.” “We’re not here trying to gain more to enhance our ‘label’; actually, Zen is about seeing our label and letting it go, in order to see our wholeness. Because our wholeness is not limited to ‘I am a monk’, ‘I am a journalist’, ‘I am a coach’, ‘I am a business leader’, ‘I am my technician’. We’re so much more than this.”  “Learn to let go. That’s the hardest practice.”

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0:00.0

Dear listeners, before we start this latest episode of The Way Out Is In, we want to let you know two pieces of news.

0:08.0

The first is that the second book by FAPU and I, Calm in the Storm, Zen Ways to Cultivate, Stability in an Anxious World, has now been published and you can buy it at any good physical or online bookstore.

0:23.6

And the other is that at the end of January of next year, FAPU and I will be leading a pilgrimage to India,

0:33.6

where we will be recording a special series of the podcast.

0:39.0

And this is to let you know that you are invited to come, if you would like to.

0:45.3

And the pilgrimage, which is following in the footsteps of the Buddha,

0:50.4

is between January the 31st and February the 13th,

0:55.0

and is being led also by Shantam Seth,

0:59.0

who is a master at leading people through the life of the Buddha

1:05.0

in situ in India, actually visiting all the sites of the Buddha's life from birth to death.

1:12.6

And if you would like to know more information, you can go to www.buddapath.com.

1:20.8

And if you decide to come, we will go on a real adventure.

1:26.1

Dear listeners, welcome to this latest episode of the podcast The Way Out is In.

1:52.8

I'm Joe Confino, a coach working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution.

1:59.1

And I'm Brother Fabhu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen master Tignan in the Plum Village tradition.

2:05.8

And dear friends, today our topic is silence.

2:09.5

Thundering silence, noble silence.

2:16.7

The way out to steam.

2:30.6

Hello, dear friends. I am Joe Confino.

2:32.3

And I'm Brother Fabhu.

2:37.0

And brother, we have had a bit of a standing joke over the years that we should do an episode on silence because it would give us a great break. We would just sit here

2:42.9

and there'd be nothing to do, nothing to say, and that we could all sit here for an hour and a half

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