Hi and welcome to Cyber Reasons malicious life, I'm Ren Levy.

About two years ago we did a listener's survey in which we ask for your feedback on the podcast. Those who participated in the survey received a bonus episode, an interview with Chris

Wysopel, aka Worldpop, one of Loft's founding members.

When we started working on the two laughed episodes we released two weeks ago,

I recalled a few stories that Chris told me in that interview that tie in very well with the two other episodes.

One story about their accidental trespassing into the NSA headquarters in Maryland,

and the other about how things went down after Loft was sold to at stake, an upstart and very much mainstream cyber security company.

Also in the interview, were the laughed guys really able to shut down the entire internet in only 30 minutes, as they said in their testimony in the Senate?

Did they use shaming to force corporations to comply with their demands?

And why was Space Rogue forced out of at stake?

All this and more in the following conversation.

Since the interview was recorded two years ago,

you'll probably notice the difference in sound quality

from our current setup, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Enjoy the interview. Today we have Chris Weisopo aka Wellpond. Chris is a computer security expert, was instrumental in developing

industry guidelines for responsible disclosure of software vulnerabilities. He was a member of the

Loft Hacker Think Tank, co-founded Veracode, which provides

automated cloud-based security services and named one of the 100 most influential people

in IT by the Eweek magazine.

Hi Chris.

Hi, how you doing?

Great, great to have you on the phone with us.

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