Hi listeners welcome back to Cyber Reasons Malicious Life. I'm Ran Levy.

This is part two of our interview with Lft, the 19thane's hacking crew that basically invented responsible reporting of bugs

and told the Senate they could take down the United States' entire internet, among other things.

If you haven't yet, check out part one of the discussion,

or go to our YouTube channel where the video version is already live.

And now let's jump right back into Nate Nelson's conversation with LAF members

John Lester, Count Zero, Chris Wysopel, Weld Pond, Joe Grant, Kingpin, Christian Rio, Dildog, and Chris Thomas, Spacerog.

Same as in the previous episode, I'll be jumping in once and a while to provide some context where needed.

Enjoy.

It comes through why this place was kind of cool and why you guys were joining up. But like what motivated you guys to get together so much to do this work to interact with these companies like what was the reason to stick around and spend so much time with

it stuff it was fun? Yeah it was fun. That's an important question though because that that

happened that was that happened later on in the in the progression of the loft right so like

weld was looking at vulnerabilities in 93 but it wasn't probably till what 95 and especially when Dildog came on when

Getting the publicity of the vulnerabilities and sharing that information and trying to change people's view of

Coordinated disclosure or all of that stuff was a much later on thing.

But it started just like the original loft started

as this curiosity and it was fun.

And that's how it just progressed as the kind of industry or as technology

progressed at the same time. So it wasn't a conscious, I don't think, a conscious decision all of a sudden to be like let's do this it was it was fun right and you got

I think it was really it was loft crack I think was the demarcation point because Dale I think you came on after loft crack

just briefly after yeah I was helping to write the sort of next on after

I was helping to write the sort of next generation

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