Hey Kathy.

Sam, big fan, big fan.

Can I just say, I remember like the very early days of our podcast, you tweeted something about the show and I was just

like somebody from New York City who used to work for Radio Life has listened to our show.

Oh my God I binge like all the episodes as soon as I found it.

So you were an outside-in listener from the early days, which I appreciate.

Yes, it's so good.

Can you just introduce yourself real quick?

Yeah, my name is Kathy 2 and I co-host a podcast from WNYC Studios called Nancy.

All things queer.

All things queer.

Yeah.

So, Kathy too, I called you up because I want to talk to you about your purchasing habits.

Do you, would you say that you buy anything that you would classify as gear?

Yeah, I mean, my backpack would be gear right that's gear. Yeah yeah

well tell me more about backpacks. Backpacks have been around since the dawn of time

when people needed to carry things in one place to another.

So what do you look for when you're buying a backpack?

For me, when you find the right backpack for the right situation it's like the

heavens parted and it is just the right feeling it's the right fit it's just

I don't know it's like having a child it's like having

you have a child don't you feel like it's the right one for you oh that is

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