Welcome to The Lost Debata Show for Politically Ecclectics. I'm Robbie Gupta. And today I have on Idris Calhoun, who comes from maybe my favorite publication, The Economist, and moved towards one of my other favorite publications, The Atlantic. And I'm glad because the economists, you don't get your name on the byline. So I'm sure I've read so many of his articles.

I could already tell if I'm talking to him I have

because we share a very similar worldview

and certainly interest in certain stories.

And I'm glad he's at The Atlantic

because he has been writing about such important topics

that we talk a lot about on the show.

But there's a difference, there's just different levels of people and journalists that we talk a lot about on the show. But, you know, there's a difference,

you know, there's just different levels of people and journalists that you talk to. And there

are certain people who macro bullshit. And then there are certain people who you could just tell,

like, are just living the details of his story and also have really good instincts. And he definitely

strikes me as one of those guys. He's new to the

Atlantic. And so, you know, we always have tons of tons of the Atlantic people on here. And, you know,

he's definitely somebody I'm going to want to have back on. And we talk about three issues. We talk

about the Supreme Court tariff case that was argued today and what the implications could be. And what I

really like about that one is we kind of get into both like the inner workings of the Supreme Court and we renew your sort of knowledge of the major questions doctrine and stuff that we talked about a few years ago.

But then we really come out and say like, what is the meaning of all this?

And it's not what you think. This is not just another like I hate Trump tirade.

This is like actually this is meaningful in I hate Trump tirade. This is like, actually,

this is meaningful in certain ways that you might not realize, and then not as meaningful in other

ways. So you'll learn a lot on that one. And then we talk about immigration. And he had a bangor

of a piece about how we're trending towards or perhaps already at net zero or negative immigration

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