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Good. The show tonight begins with Colonel Jeff McCausland commenting on NATO

and the challenge to create a European

force with the same equipment for every country. Given the rivalry between these countries

and their defense industries, it seems a challenge at this point asking Jeff, did this happen

during the Cold War of the 20th century? No, it did not.

Depending upon the U.S., so much of the U.S.'s equipment as well, left the Europeans to create

their own tank, their own plane, their own rifle, but not worry about what Jeff calls

interoperability. We also discussed the drone war in

Ukraine and how drones are becoming an integral part of combat units and combat. Drones that are

cheap can be brought down by expensive systems, but that's ineffective and cannot last.

Ukraine is now being overwhelmed with drones produced by Russian factories based on a Iranian

design. It's called the geranium or garrin. It's a small punch, but hundreds of them.

And 15% are now getting through. Beforehand, it was 5%. The Russians are changing their tactics, and Ukraine is overwhelmed. Conversation about

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