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I'm Clay Lewis.

And this is Ground Zero.

With the numbers to call tonight, 503-22-2-5-0-860.

That's 503-225-0-860.

Well, tonight's tonight.

We've set aside this day, this night, October 30th, 2020-5.

As the night, we speak to Dr. Heldor.

And a lot of people look forward to the show and i always look forward to it

and a fit of trepidation and nervousness and i hope that uh everything goes well tonight i'm uh you know

i get a little nervous all the time i know it's controversial i know that the methods we used

to talk with dr heldor unorthodox because we use a Ouija board to get her messages.

I've had many years to decide what Dr. Heldor is and what she isn't. And one thing she isn't is an evil spirit. I don't think she's an evil spirit at all. And I think she's more than just an imaginary friend. She's a tulpa.

She's a result of the group mind by everyone listening to my radio program. I've come to the conclusion that everything that Dr. Hildor says is thought by the audience. And that's why Dr.

Heldor seems to be very accurate in what she says, or at least cryptic and accurate at the same

time, because we can interpret what she says, just like we cryptic and accurate at the same time, because we can interpret

what she says, just like we can interpret an Osterdamas couplet or something like that.

I mean, there's an old saying that we believe what we want to believe, and once we believe

something, it becomes a self-fulfilling truth.

And this is why Dr. Heldor, I believe, is very powerful.

The 1931 book with mystics and magicians in Tibet by spiritualist Alexander David Neal

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