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Hello and welcome to the political party.

Today's guest is Julie Bindle, author of the new book, Lesbians.

Where Are We Now?

You can click on the link in the blurb to buy that book, or you can Google it and buy it your own way. Julie's written loads of books on the history of women's rights

and on lesbian rights, and of course it's the perfect time to be talking to her because, as you

will know, the UK Supreme Court ruled unanimously that a woman is defined by biological sex

under Equality's law. It's obviously

been a hugely controversial debate, but the law has effectively been reasserted by the Supreme Court.

And I talked to Julie about how we got here about effectively the forces that led to the debate

taking shape in the way that it did and just the history of the lesbian

rights movement and how that is distinct from the men's gay rights movement and what this

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