Hello and welcome to the Political Party. Today's guest is Gina Miller of Legal Fame and of course founder of Her Own Political Party, the True and Fair Party. We talk about that, what the aims of the party are, the structure of the party and the challenges facing a new political party in today's political marketplace.

I don't forget you can email the show politicalpartypodcast.gmail.com with your encounters with politicians, particularly if they're awkward or odd, Chris has been in touch. He says, I met Alistair Darling in 2007. I was a primary school teacher, a head teacher running one of the most deprived schools in Nottingham, excellent Chris, good for you.

And he said, my school used to be the Children's Mental Health Charity, place to be to support many of our kids. Alistair Darling's wife Maggie was a strong supporter of this particular charity and chose them to be the guest of that year's 11 Downing Street Christmas party, which I was lucky enough to be invited to attend. Brilliant, with some children from my school.

God, this is great. It was a fun event with a magician and various X-Factor contestants from that year mingling around the building.

God, I'm jealous. Anyway, Alistair did not seem to enjoy himself very much. I found myself next to him by the tea pot. I'm offered to make him a cup of tea with the words, tough week, Chancellor. He gave me a right smile, thank you for the tea that wandered off. Perhaps rampaging kids weren't his thing.

I mean, it's a fair point. He says he ends it. I said, come on, you read so good on you, Chris, for his fan. And well, an all round educational hero.

And all could I counter that to Darling, send yours into political party pockets at gmail.com and don't forget to come and see the show live. The next live show is with Michael Hezelstein.

That is on Monday, the day should trip off the tongue. The Monday, the seventh of February is the, you know, the next few days Monday, the seventh of February at the Dutch is theater. That is not to be missed on the 21st of,

I forgot what month it is, 21st of February. I guess will be the fantastic Edwin, a curry. That is going to be an outrageous and raucous night and two weeks after that on the 7th of March, it will be Neil Kinnick.

It's a special with Jacob Riesmoggen, Rosanna Alan Khan has been rescheduled to the 11th of April. So your tickets, if you've already got them a valid for that, if you haven't got them, well, we're going to have a Christmas party in April with Jacob Riesmoggen, Rosanna Alan Khan.

So that is very exciting. So anyway, on to today's business with Gina Miller. Someone I've wanted to have on the show for a long time. And again, often it's better just leaving it a few years because now she's in a position where she's actually entering into politics herself as the leader and founder of the true and fair.

And this is obviously we talk a lot about politics. We talk about her experience, going through the courts and making sure that the government was taking to court to ensure that Parliament had a vote on effectively what sort of Brexit we were going to have.

And but also personal stuff and her own life and how that shaped the politics. This is as you would imagine, thrilling, very interesting. And actually, there's something very soothing about this.

You know, if you often worry about where we're going as a country and you want a bit of hope for the future, then I think you'll find it here.

And delighted to be joined by Gina Miller, who's just launched her new political party, the true and fair party.

Gina, why launch a new political party now?

I'm not going to speak to you, Matt. Yes, not the easiest thing to do. And I'm the first to say that it's going to be an uphill struggle.

Our political system does not allow a new party to come along in the first part of the post.

And but I think it's very important to make a decision in life. Do you sit on the sidelines and watch or do you step up when you think you have something to offer.

And I think COVID has done an odd thing. It's actually exposed the failures, the systemic failures in our democratic system and actually in our machinery of government.

Because we get sidelines by, you know, what we're reading in the headlines every day.

But I think it's actually we need to take a step back and think we have an naive system, which believes that you know it's a my word is my bond.

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