Should you be a nationalist? Is it even possible to be a nationalist who isn't jingoistic and white

nationalist and anti-immigrant and a little bit racist? What would nationalism mean in multi-ethnic,

multicultural, pluralistic, liberal societies? And in an era of Donald Trump and of a global planet that's becoming

increasingly a dog-eat-dog world, is it actually necessary for squishy middle-of-the-road countries

like Australia and Canada and the United Kingdom to become more nationalist, but to find

their nationalism in constructive ways? A quick aside, this is a premium episode, which means that it's paywalled about halfway

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a cracker of an ep. Today's guest, David Mosscropp, is a Canadian writer, academic and

public intellectual. He has a PhD in

political science. He was a regular contributor to the Washington Post, and he's here to help us think

about national identity in a dog-eat-dog world, about the left's overreach in the culture wars,

Canadian truckers, right-wing anti-vaxes, multiculturalism,

jingoism, how all of us can cohere better as a democratic people in modern liberal democracies,

and most importantly, he's here to resolve the timeless question of why love actually is a terrible film.

I hope you enjoy as much as I did, the one the only, David Mosscropp.

I'm going from Ottawa to Melbourne, the Auckland, then back to Auckland for the Auckland Festival,

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