G'day, humans.

Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas.

Here's a dangerous idea for you, and one that's becoming increasingly popular in our

economically polarized and unequal times.

The idea is that any society which allows people to amass as much wealth as we have allowed the super rich to amass for

themselves is fundamentally broken, that it should not be possible, basically, to be a billionaire.

That's basically the gist of today's guest, Carl Rhodes. He is the former dean of the business

school at the University of Technology, Sydney. He's just stepped down from that position and he's now a professor at UTS Business School. We had him on the show a few years ago when he wrote a book called Woke Capitalism, which was about how big mega corporations cynically manipulate social justice causes to make themselves look superwoke and curry favor

with the social justice mobs. His new book is called Stinking Rich, the Four Myths of the Good

Billionaire. And it examines our attitudes towards people like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates

and Elon Musk and Steve Jobs

and asks how we should think about the capacity of people to become vast industrialists,

how we should think about hereditary wealth, how we should think about the growth in inequality

caused by the property boom, how we should think about social democracy.

And so Carl and I talk about white privilege and diversity and DEI programs and democratic

Scandinavian socialism and so on.

And basically how to create a more just society and what the unintended consequences of trying

to do so might be.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I did, the one the only, Professor Carl Drove.

Last time we spoke to you, we were talking about woke capitalism, right?

Just chart for me the arc of woke capitalism in the years since we spoke.

I have a sense that we've, we probably

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