Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and now the Joe Biden presidency.

We will be looking at how a 78-year-old president will change America, and we'll be asking if normalcy,

which is what he promised to bring, has returned to American politics. The answer, of course,

is no. I'm joined today once again by Tim Stanley, the historian and leader writer at the Telegraph. And we're going to be talking about

the crazy week of American politics that we have just experienced. Tim, the big story of the

moment, it seems to me, of certainly of today, is that Trump needs to be impeached now. This will be the

second impeachment of Trump, but this time there seems to, there could be enough momentum to push it

through. But it's also quite, it would be quite a strange impeachment because you've only got

11 days left of the Trump presidency. Is it, is there any reason to do it? Do you see an urgent need to impeach

Trump? I can see two psychological reasons why people might support it at this very late stage.

One is this sense that Donald Trump needs to be punished, that he shouldn't be allowed to leave

the presidency in an orderly manner,

but should be booted out to send a message that someone who, from the Democrats, and many

Republicans' perspective, attempted to actually meddle with the constitutional process,

that that person should not be allowed to retain their office. So there's a desire for some

sort of justice to be seen to be done. The second psychological thing is the possibility that if he is impeached, he will not be able to run again.

And that is attractive to Republicans because right now, most of them are thinking they need to draw a line under the Trump presidency.

And they are haunted by the possibility of this man threatening to run again in 2024, which is just going to

dominate the new cycle and dominate Republican politics at a point where they desperately

need to win back the Senate because they lost it now, and they need to make good on the advances

they made in the House. So on both sides, I can see the psychological case.

But we are talking about very few days left of this presidency to run.

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