Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman and Todd Pruitt, a podcast of the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals.

Let's join this week's conversation.

Thank you. You are listening to Mortification of Spin.

My name is Todd Pruitt, and I'm the pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

And I'm joined, as always, by my friend Carl Truman, a professor at Grove City College, most recently on loan to Notre Dame.

Carl, good to see you today.

Great to be with you, Todd. How thanks.

Yeah. Now, you recently mentioned to our listeners that you've been in touch with Al Jazeera about a possible partnership going forward. Is that what that was?

Farthest, you might be putting it a bit strong. Somehow, my stuff has crossed the path of

Al Jazeera. I'm interested in having me out for one of their sort of roundtable discussions,

but probably not going to happen. I can't just fly to Doha at a moment's note.

Now, there are no direct flights from South Bend to Doha as far as.

You know, one interesting thing is a couple of years ago, not long after the rise and triumph of

the modern self came out, you did speak at a Muslim school. And if I remember, isn't it just,

wouldn't it just right across the street from UC Berkeley? Yeah, I spoke at Zaytuna College.

I did a fireside chat with the president of the college, Sheikh Humza. And the college, the

room where we actually had the fireside chat was literally the other side

of the street from the doors, the gates of UC Berkeley, which of course is the center of

gender theory. It is the home of Judith Butler. It is, you know, it is, we might say,

the intellectual source of so many

of our problems today. And what struck me as interesting was when I was in a Muslim gathering

there, they had no security. I was going through a period of time where wherever I spoke,

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