This is Kyle Worley, and I'm joined by my co-host, Jen Wilkin and J.T. English, and today we are also joined by Ian Harbor.

Ian is a friend of ours. He is a graduate of the Deep B discipleship program. He is a member of the Village Church in Denton, Texas,

the director for communications and marketing at mere orthodoxy, and the author of walking

through deconstruction, how to be a companion in a crisis of faith. Ian, welcome to knowing faith.

Guys, I'm really excited to be here. Thank you for having me.

Man, we are glad to have you. And you, like, you have the best backdrop of any of us. If you're watching the video of this or if you're watching clips, there is one professional podcaster on, on this, right? I know, right? It's like, I feel like we're like 400 episodes in and Ian just rolls in for his first appearance on the show and immediately

trumps all of us. Yeah. So it's because I love you guys. Got to get dressed up for it. Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate J.T. is also dressed up for. He wore one of his 1,500 collared golf polos to do. This is what I have. And Kyle is wearing his only shirt that he owns. The only shirt that I wear, I just wash it.

And Jen is wearing black as well.

It's the only shirt that he owns. Yeah, the only shirt that I own. I just wash it.

And Jen is wearing black as well. It's the only shirt you need. It's, that's right. If it ain't

broke, don't fix it. That's right. That's true. That's true. Ian, we have, we have so much,

like, history together. We often have guests on the show where it's like we know them through their

publishing or we've interacted with them through some like Christian partnership stuff or

conference stuff. But with you, like Ian, we've actually like been at the same church.

We've like we've worshipped the same church. You came through the deep discipleship program.

It's just really fun to have somebody on here that is like not only like a really credible voice on this topic, but also like a really, like a personal friend. So it's just so cool to have you on here, man. Well, I'm excited to be here. I mean, Kyle, I don't know if you remember how I got into the deep discipleship program. I was, I don't remember. Well, let me remind you. So this is years ago. I was your... I don't remember. Let me remind you. So this is years ago.

Okay. I was your barista. And this is when we're talking about deconstruction. I'm kind of, you know, we'll get there, right? And so I come up to you. I had a lot of friends going through the program at that time and I thought it sounded amazing. So I came up to you, I give you your honey, vanilla latte and I say Kyle, I want to

be a part of this program. I I came up to you. I give you your honey vanilla latte and I say,

Kyle, I want to be a part of this program. I don't go to this church. I was at a different church at the time. I was like, but I want to be a part of it. Can I get in? And you said, maybe. You said, you said, apply. you said apply shoot me an email and i'll let you know and uh you got me into the the one in

dallas i had to drive all the way to said apply you said apply shoot me an email and i'll let you know and uh you got me into the the one in

dallas i had to drive all the way to dallas every week to do it but i did it and here we are so thank you

did he say are you in crisis well we'll get back to you yeah i'll talk to talk about oh you're deconstructed

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