Again, I'm not mad at activists, that's their job.

Their job is to not be squishy,

but I think the difficulty of some of these issues

that we're facing, particularly when it comes to race,

it just becomes the only voice in the room,

and you are a bad person.

If you are not standing 100% behind that voice,

and I just think that that is difficult electorally,

because people vote for lots of reasons.

They don't tweet for lots of reasons.

The tweet has to be one position,

but nobody's taken a single position

into the voting booth with them,

bear taking the entire complexity of their life experience.

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