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slash partners in crime media. I'm Rebecca Lervoy and this is crime writers on. Crime Raiders on is the original True Crime Review

podcast that digs in a true crime, pop culture, other podcasts, and on this

episode a journalist flips the script by asking her subjects to shape their own stories.

Does it create documentaries that are elevated or just something else?

We'll talk about the podcast, shocking, heartbreaking, transformative from Radiotopia.

Joining me to get that done and more is true crime author, TV journalist and host of

these are their stories podcast my husband and love of my life Kevin Flynn hello Kevin

hello Rebecca also with us is private investigator certified pet detective

resident cat lady and author of the Piper Green series of Cozy Mysteries

Laura bricker.

Hi Laura.

Hey Rebecca, also now the owner of some kavassie

because I made a chicken with some kavassie.

Wow, well, you're fancy now.

You're the owner because you had leftover.

You can use the entire bottle.

You're never going to use it.

You're going to have that bottle forever.

No, I am.

I'm going to make these recipes because I've been watching the reruns of the ladies

man from SNL who's like,

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