Welcome to all there is. Wherever you are in the world and in your grief, I'm glad you're here. You're not alone. It's been a bittersweet week for me. I finished my last story at 60 minutes after more than 20 years there. I left because I wanted to spend more time with my two little boys, Wyatt and Sebastian, but it's hard to leave a job that you've always loved.

The good news is that it makes it easier for me to do more of these podcasts, which I'm grateful for.

My guest on this episode is Chanel Jones. In January, she began hosting, along with Jenna Bush-Hager,

Today with Jenna and Chanel, the fourth hour of the Today Show. In May 2025, Chanel's husband,

Uche OJ, died from glioblastoma. They met when they were in college and have three kids, a 16-year-old

and 13-year-old twins. Chanel has a new bookout through mom's eyes, which is full of life lessons

and stories from the mother's

well-known, highly accomplished people. But our conversation is about the loss of Uche and Chanel's

grandmother, who died seven months later at the end of 2025. Thank you for doing this.

You have been, and I mean this so sincerely, the soundtrack to my healing.

You, along with all of the people that you've talked with, when you hear other people share, it is healing and you don't feel as isolated.

You feel less alone.

And so I feel like you've created this beautiful quilt of nurturing our hearts.

And so I am honored to be part of this quilt.

It is still so recent. So recent. And the truth of the matter is after he was diagnosed,

I still thought he would beat it. Like you couldn't tell me that he wasn't going to beat it. It was

just a matter of finding which trial or something, but I knew that he was going to beat it. Even though all of the evidence was very clear, I still didn't believe it. The first time the doctors recommended hospice, I said no. I wanted him to be able to be home. He wanted to be home. And I was like, I'll do it. And he's a big,

he was strong. And I was trying to do all the things, you know, lifting and all the things. And we

have a lot of stairs. So that became a bit of a challenge. And I did it for maybe two or three

months on my own. There are people who do this for years and anyone listening

if you are a caretaker. God bless you. I just did a interview with a woman who has a very

aggressive form of brain cancer and she's trying to prepare her kids. I saw her story. She's

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