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Young Heretics

She's an Icon

Young Heretics

Spencer Klavan

Society & Culture, Education

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

The veneration of icons is one of the longest-lasting and most intense controversies in the history of the church. But it's not just a matter of religious practice: it also happens to touch on even more ancient and profound issues in the nature of perception and reality. So, just exactly what Young Heretics has been all about this year! Thanks to encouragement from you guys, I'm going deeper on the subject of icons, art, and reality (though not much deeper on the whole Travis Kelce/Taylor Swift situation--but Tay does feature.)

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Transcript

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0:00.0

War must be while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all.

0:09.0

But I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior

0:16.7

for his glory. I love only that which they defend. All right, as I read that quote, I could almost feel across the nation and the world.

0:33.2

Thousands upon thousands of Tolkien bros,

0:35.8

rising up swords in hand, ready to cheer

0:38.6

because they think I'm about to do a Lord of the Rings episode.

0:41.7

I'm so sorry to disappoint you and get your hopes up. I am not going to do a Lord of the Rings episode right now. I know, I know I need to do some Tolkien episodes. I intend to, it's going to happen, but actually I want to use that quote, which is from

0:55.3

Faramir in the Two Towers for a slightly different purpose today.

0:59.8

Side note, my dad read me the Lord of the Rings that the written trilogy allowed when I was I can't

1:08.3

remember I must have been like in middle school and the confession that I have to make to you is that I fell asleep a lot during those books.

1:18.0

And so I've always kind of had a antsy and uncomfortable relationship to them because I loved the movies when they came out and I was like suddenly I see what everyone is talking about

1:29.8

Lord of the Rings is amazing and I was, so why were there all those long scenes

1:34.3

and like the descriptions of the trees,

1:36.2

so many forests?

1:37.8

And I actually kind of for a long time thought,

1:40.4

though, oh, the movies are better.

1:41.9

Like this is one of the rare cases where Peter Jackson actually synthesized and streamlined what was kind of an unruly piece of work and I felt really bad about that because a lot of people I really like and respect just love those books.

1:55.0

I am a huge inklings fan generally. I like Tolkien's non-fiction. Obviously, CS Lewis is one of my heroes.

2:02.0

And so I never quite knew what to make of it.

2:05.4

And I just decided finally this year I'm going to go back and reread them because I must have missed

2:09.7

something and every time I watch the movies, which I do all the time again and again I

2:14.6

feel like they're so good the source material must be better than I remember it

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