So we just crossed 500K AR.

So we just crossed.

Thank you.

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GitLatka.com. Hey folks. My guest today is Melissa Kwan. She's the co-founder and CEO of

EWebinar, an automated webinar platform that saves people from doing the same webinar over and over

again. She's a third-time founder, bootstrapper, and digital nomad. Her previous company,

Spacio, was acquired in 2019. Melissa, you're ready to take us to the top? Yeah, absolutely.

That previous company, did you bootstrap that one as well? I did. Nice. It was much harder.

I was going to say, so have you, do you have the yin and the yang? Have you raised on one and then bootstrapped the other?

Can you compare?

Well, we have never raised venture capital.

I mean, we had some like family and friends.

So, I mean, do you consider that bootstrapping?

I consider bootstrapping.

Someone to me is bootstrapped if they're very capital efficient, which means the way I measure that is you've raised less than one X your ARR. Yeah, absolutely. So I've never raised venture capital.

Actually, my LinkedIn post today, the title of that is I once took money from an investor and it's private investor. He invested about 250K. And that made me realize the only

person who needs to give you money is your customers. This is in Spacio? Yes, it was. Okay,

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