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Sharing Intelligence: Challenges between US and Ukraine

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4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

After Russia’s full scale invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. rushed to create a secret center that set targets for the Ukrainians to destroy. But the counteroffensive of 2023 failed to achieve its goals. So, what went wrong? New York Times reporter Adam Entous spent more than a year reporting on this story. He joins SpyCast host Sasha Ingber to talk about what was going on behind the scenes, and the consequences that were felt acutely on the battlefield. Read Adam’s full report here.  The International Spy Museum has launched its first ever digital exhibition: Open Source: Ukraine & The Intelligence Revolution. Give it a visit to learn more about the role of publicly accessible information in intelligence collection and analysis.  If you liked this episode, check out these links: SpyCast Live: Escalation: Tracking the US-Ukraine Relationship An Evening with General David H. Petraeus SpyCast - “Zelensky, Ukraine & Intelligence” – with Simon Shuster Prefer to watch your podcasts? Find us on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@IntlSpyMuseum/podcasts.  Subscribe to Sasha's Substack, HUMINT, to get more intelligence stories: https://sashaingber.substack.com/  And if you have feedback or want to hear about a particular topic, you can reach us by E-mail at [email protected].  This show is brought to you from Goat Rodeo, Airwave, and the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Spycast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum.

0:08.0

I'm your host, Sasha Inber, and each week I take you into the shadows of espionage, intelligence, and covert operations across the globe.

0:19.0

After Russia's full-scale invasion, the U.S. rushed to create a secret center

0:26.6

that set targets for the Ukrainians to destroy.

0:29.6

But the counteroffensive of 2023 failed to achieve its goals.

0:34.6

So, what went wrong? New York Times reporter Adam Entus spent more

0:41.0

than a year trying to answer that question. Through hundreds of interviews with officials on

0:46.3

both sides of the Atlantic, he uncovered a story shaped by politics and personalities. Americans and Ukrainian generals clashing over resources,

0:57.7

troop numbers and movements, and plans of attack.

1:01.4

Disagreements turned into mistrust and mistrust into missteps, and the consequences were felt

1:08.4

acutely on the battlefield.

1:11.5

Adam, you had reported on a coalition of intelligence officers from the CIA, NSA, the Defense

1:19.2

Intelligence Agency, the National Geospatial Intel Agency, and others, and how they were

1:25.7

operating out of a basement at a U.S. military base in Weissbaud in

1:30.3

Germany under an operation called Task Force Dragon. Tell us about that operation.

1:37.1

So this was set up around April 2022 shortly after the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

1:44.8

And there was a realization right from the beginning when they set up Task Force Dragon

1:49.3

that they were going to need to provide, in addition to bullets and mortar shells and

1:54.9

later Himars rockets, that they would need to provide them with intelligence.

1:59.7

And so what happened is policymakers at the

2:02.6

White House, at the Director of National Intelligence here in Washington, they basically wrote these

2:08.8

rules, which decided what we could share with them. And those rules told the guys in the basement

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