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The Lawfare Podcast

Shane Reeves and Rob Lawless on Data-Rich Battlefields and the Future LOAC

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4.7 β€’ 6.4K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 30 September 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

In modern-day warfare, data is considered a weapons system, and the Russia-Ukraine armed conflict gives us some perspective into what warfare looks like in a data-rich, hyperconnected world. To talk about the pervasiveness of data in contemporary and future warfare, Lawfare senior editor Stephanie Pell sat down with Brigadier General Shane Reeves, the dean of the Academic Board at West Point, and Robert Lawless, assistant professor in the Department of Law at West Point, to discuss their new piece, β€œData-Rich Battlefields and the Future LOAC,” or law of armed conflict. They talked about the growing importance for militaries to be able to exploit data on the battlefield, the deception arms race that is emerging in the modern battlefield, and some key ways in which data-rich battlefields are putting pressure on the law of armed conflict.

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Got final version, final final version, and no, I'm actually serious now.

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This is the last version I will never save another version I promise.

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Saved it again.

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I think that you correctly know

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that civilians will have these data gathering devices on them.

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