Shame
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 3 May 2018
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
What’s the difference between shaming, being ashamed, and being shamed? Which of these is most alive in the culture right now? Why do we feel existential shame, and how can it be healed?
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:03.0 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.0 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. |
| 0:22.0 | I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. |
| 0:27.0 | I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian analyst on Cape Cod. |
| 0:31.0 | And today we are going to excavate the issue of shame. Wow. I am |
| 0:40.8 | feeling shame right now aren't you? That sigh, that groan. |
| 0:45.0 | Not yet, Joseph. |
| 0:47.0 | You know, as I have worked with people over the years I've thought about what some of the |
| 0:56.7 | really primal emotions are and oftentimes people say it's mad, sad, glad, scared, and guilt is one, but I think that shame is huge for people. |
| 1:11.6 | It is suffusing and even hard for people to say. And I find myself sometimes careful about how it's worded. |
| 1:25.0 | People might say I was embarrassed or I felt self-conscious. |
| 1:30.0 | But even to say, you mean, it was shaming or you felt ashamed, can itself be shaming, just that word. |
| 1:39.0 | You know, it's okay to be embarrassed but not shamed |
| 1:43.7 | so when we talk about it as a verb |
| 1:46.8 | this idea of |
| 1:47.9 | uh... being shamed |
| 1:50.4 | versus being ashamed versus somebody shaming somebody else. |
| 1:55.0 | I mean those are very different positions around it and it feels different |
| 2:01.6 | and I'd love to |
| 2:05.0 | think it evokes different things in people. So just writing on what you said, |
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