Shalom Season | Episode 113: Was Jesus Scared? With Dr. Joel Muddamalle
The Jess Connolly Podcast
Jess Connolly
4.9 • 872 Ratings
🗓️ 30 March 2026
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
We say we want peace. We pray for it. We look for it. We try to build lives that might finally give it to us.
But if we’re honest? Peace can feel just out of reach.
This week in Shalom Season, Jess sits down with theologian and friend Dr. Joel Muddamalle to talk about something we don’t often connect with peace, but should: spiritual warfare.
Together, they explore how the unseen battle impacts our everyday lives, our fears, and our ability to live in true, lasting shalom.
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| 0:00.0 | We say we want peace. We pray for it. We look for it. We try to build lives that might finally give it to us. |
| 0:09.0 | But if we're honest, many of us don't actually feel peaceful. Our minds race with thoughts we can't seem to quiet. |
| 0:16.0 | Our bodies carry more tension than we know what to do with. Our homes and relationships hold stress, |
| 0:22.4 | conflict, and questions we wish we could resolve. And underneath it all sits a deeper fear |
| 0:28.2 | that maybe peace is something other people get to have, but not us. This season on the Just |
| 0:34.5 | Connolly podcast, we are in Shalom Season. |
| 0:38.3 | We're asking honest questions about what it means to live with that kind of peace. |
| 0:42.9 | We'll explore peace in our minds, in our bodies, in our homes, in our marriages, |
| 0:47.0 | and even in the complicated spaces of motherhood and community. |
| 0:50.8 | I'm so glad you're here. This is Shalom Season. Let's go. |
| 0:58.3 | Hey friends, welcome to Shalom Season. This week's episode is with Dr. Joel Mutimali. |
| 1:04.7 | Joel is the director of theology for Proverbs 31. And also more than that, he is a good friend and a theologian that many people |
| 1:13.2 | I know trust, definitely including me. He is a pal. He is pastoral. And he's also crazy wise. |
| 1:21.3 | In this episode, we're going to talk a little bit about Jesus and the Garden of Gassimony, |
| 1:25.2 | but we're also going to talk about his new book, The Unseen Battle. The Unseen Battle is about all things, spiritual warfare, and the war that |
| 1:33.5 | is going on amongst spiritual forces here on Earth. You're going to hear us use a phrase |
| 1:38.5 | pretty early in the episode that if you're familiar with, you're familiar with, and if you're |
| 1:42.0 | not, no shame, it's the Nephilim. |
| 1:50.8 | The Nephilim are biblical creatures that we see throughout the Old Testament who are essentially mysterious beings that are an offspring of some potential spiritual warfare that happens on Earth. |
| 1:58.8 | I'm doing a bad job describing it. The unseen battle is going to |
| 2:02.4 | describe it really well. And we're going to talk about the Nephilim in this episode. Let's go. |
| 2:09.9 | Joel, thanks for being here. You walked into the house today and I said, you're my hero. But I |
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