So it's really about restoring a non-shameful sense of self and preferences around pleasure, which we don't talk about that much.

Certainly not in the field of sex addiction.

We don't talk about pleasure.

We talk about how do you stop the destructive sexual behaviors.

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Alex, you are the clinical director and the founder of the Center for Healthy Sex in Los Angeles.

Correct.

And I don't think we've ever said it specifically on this podcast, but the Center for Healthy Sex is where I went to do

my therapy initially when we first, first started dealing with this in the context of sex

addiction.

Correct.

Like we had a couple's therapist before, and then more things got revealed, and then we dove

into Center for Healthy Sex, and that's where Mark, our therapist, who ended up we had a couple's therapists before and then more things got revealed and then we dove into

center palatty sex and that's where mark our therapist who ended up passing that's where we

met him and we essentially did a out on our own version of an outpatient rehab you guys were

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