We often think culturally that a good marriage is one where there is no conflict.

And I've worked with people that like never ever fought, but it was so brittle, so fragile,

because they hadn't forged anything real.

And so even though they look like the perfect marriage couple, they were falling apart internally,

and they hadn't had any real conversations.

Conflict can be very valuable.

I mean, not hostility or contempt, but conflict, honest, like, how do we work this out?

Hey, everyone.

I'm going to be in Boston this Thursday, April 23rd, for a conversation with Zach Davis about the soulfulness of sex. We'll be meeting in Cambridge

at 6 p.m. on Thursday the 23rd, and we'd love to have you join us. I'll be talking about the

integration of sexuality and how it's related to sex being more meaningful and intimate. I will also

be bringing signed copies of my book.

If you're in the New England area

or know anyone who is and would be interested,

we would love to see you there.

Click the link on the show notes to learn more.

Welcome back, Jennifer.

We're so excited to have you back on the podcast. We don't take these

conversations for granted. And yeah, I've been thinking this week about how much I've learned from you over the last five years. And so I just have a really full heart. I'm so excited to get to talk about your book. And we've been waiting for this for a long time. So welcome back. Thank you. I think maybe a place where we could start is something that feels,

it feels common now because I've heard you teach this so skillfully that it's like in my bones now.

But I think maybe a good entry point is if you could just talk about embodiment and our theology,

because I think there's something

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