This episode contains mature content like sex and intimacy.

Hey, everybody, Jen Hatmaker, here, your host of The For The Love Podcast.

Welcome to the show. I'm loving our series right now. We are in a series called For The Love of Sex.

I mean, we thought we could get real cutesy with the name of it, but I mean, for the love of sex it is.

And so we've touched obviously on sex before inside other relationship series or as a kind of a one off episode that fit a larger thing, but we wanted to give it its own platform to talk a little bit more

more intimately about to expand on to have different types of experts weighing in here in several different ways.

We went into kind of unhook the pearls that we have clutched in some previous episodes that evolved around sex and just say, we're grown.

Let's just talk about talking about bodies. Let's talk about pleasure. Let's talk about sex. Let's go out old sex. Let's talk about new sex. Let's talk about the problems with sex. Let's just let's just get after it.

Let's go out. I love today's episode because it's from another angle that ultimately matters. And it matters to all of us because of the way we consume entertainment.

So we're talking about a phenomenon related to sex has been going through quite a change, a positive one, which is great news. You may have just been paying attention to noticing some of the differences, but on sex scenes when we're in film and TV spaces between

the years ago, particularly at the turn of the me to movement. And as sexual harassment accusation surfaced about obviously Harvey Weinstein, which led to like hundreds of other accusations all over Hollywood. And those are just reported. Right.

So if you've noticed sex portrayed in film and on television post me to really shed some light maybe on how it used to be portrayed like you know, if you ever go back to something 20 years ago or more a show and you go, whoa, whoa, I can not believe they showed that or said that or did that.

And so, I think that's why women potentially were exploited. And why a lot of folks in the industry felt like there were no boundaries in these areas in terms of filming sex scenes and that the rumored casting couch was like a sad reality.

So many brave women have come forward and talked about their experiences inside the entertainment industry. Some of them who had been previously blackballed right from the business or struggled to continue their careers after having called their abusers on the carpet and then suffered at the hands of an unfair power differential.

So now if sex is going to be a part of a film or television show, there are rules and there are boundaries. It's a great positive shift. On set now, there are generally professionals who plan sex scenes.

And they determine the consent of the actors in advance. They provide them with the equipment if necessary to ensure that their dignity is respected.

And there are guardrails now around a portion of the entertainment industry that has been historically marked by coercion, a lack of consent.

Well, we're going to talk about, I don't know if we still have thunder, we'll talk about it. So I wanted to touch on Hollywood because I think Hollywood in so many ways pop culture in general sets the tone for the rest of us to culturally talk about sex.

And it does influence our level of comfort with it. It forces us to confront how scenes like that make us feel when we watch stories.

I just pick a thing of maybe unconsensual sex or sex in a long term partnership or teenagers fumbling around for the first time on screen.

It affects us. Our own memories are triggered. Our own feelings are triggered. It does matter. And so I will just be honest like what happened five years ago when Alyssa Milano tweeted her story out on the heels of Toronto Birx hashtag, you know me to it created a flashpoint that changed how we define and disseminate power on screen and off screen.

And so this conversation was really, really interesting because today we are delving into this a bit inside the industry. And we're going to talk about the changes that have been brought to bear. And I am so excited to have one of those professionals who's incredibly well pedigreeed into messy coordinator to walk us through it.

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