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It's not easy for couples to have open honest conversations about sex, but the

more you're willing to talk about it with each other, the better the

opportunity you'll have to make this a really healthy part of your

relationship. I'm John Fuller along with my friends and focus colleagues Aaron

Smolley and Greg Smolley. And we're going to hear now a conversation Jim

Daley had with Gary Thomas and Deborah Fileta about how couples can work

through challenges in this area and I'm confident you're going to find this

helpful. Let me go back to a more general question though and that is you

describe sex as both the greatest blessing and the greatest pain that

couples can experience in marriage. I mean that kind of says it all. The joking

side of me would say I think which side generally men would go with and what

side generally women would go with, but that too is a stereotype. Nothing is that

straight any longer in the culture, even in the Christian culture, it's like an

80-20 rule. And so with that context, why is it both the highest of highs in the

marriage relationship and sometimes the lowest of lows? I think some of the

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