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All of us are built with a longing to be loved. But if we're honest, the love

that we see in media and portrayed by various storytellers through the

years isn't the real kind of love that we need. We need more than a feeling a

warm fuzzy. I'm John Fuller in the studio with Greg Smalley and his wife Aaron

and Bob Lupine is back with us for a continuation of a conversation that Jim

Daley and I had with him. Last time he talked about how he met his wife Maryanne

and how he'd say things like, I love you while they were still dating. Let's go

ahead and hear more. Let me ask you in that regard what was happening. I mean

you're a believer. You're working for young life. You're graduating college by

this point. But when you married Maryanne, but what gave you that premise? Why

did you feel so light-handed with it? Pop songs and romcoms. Honestly, you look

at this and say, we have a romantic view of love that has been shaped by pop

music and romantic comedies in the movies. So you watch the Hallmark channel and

that's where we're cataclyzed on what it means for love and marriage. And that's

where we get that sandy view of what love looks like. And if that's as deep as

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