I'm John Batsu with my colleague of Anastradner of the Foundation for the

Defense of democracies who writes a great deal about information space.

And in Serbia, the President Alexander Vutik,

Vutik has been very clear these last years

that he sides with the Kremlin

on almost all issues and has been rewarded for it by the Kremlin. And before

Ivana we've talked about this and Vutchez has used the information space not only for his own country,

but for all of the Western Balkans.

And you've noted that there is not good pushback coming from either the European Union or

NATO or the US. Has that changed?

Has Bouchich now have a competition in the information space or does he occupy it all by himself?

So the Serbian government has been waging a hybrid war against its neighbors.

Right now, countries such as Montenegro and North Macedonia are a great concern to me

because both countries that are NATO member states where disturbing government is actually has been using literally hybrid

Warsaw Toolkit to its advantage there. What's happening right now, for example in

Kosovo, just a few hours ago the Serbian government actually

claimed that the Kosovo is trying to provoke a new war over there, which is nothing new

because they've been claiming that for a very long time and as I

told you in your show last time that the Serbian government used injured 98 8th of peacekeepers last year and the West didn't do anything about that.

Now, your question is whether something has changed.

No, nothing has changed because the West clearly

still believes that the Serbian government is moving towards the West which is far from

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