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Thank you. You've entered the Paracast with your host, Gene Steinberg and David Beetti.

Ladies and gentlemen, a quick introduction coming up first on the show.

We have Stephen Bass, an executive director of the Paradine Research Group, sponsor of the X conference, and also he runs a

political action committee, a pack dedicated to inducing disclosure coming up on the

power cast. And later on the show, Brad Steiger will join us and regale us with some fascinating stories from one of his recent books.

I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

Stephen, how did you get involved in becoming a lobbyist for the disclosure movement?

That seems like an odd career turn.

How did you get to this point?

What did you do that brought you to this place?

Well, to be correct, I entered the field of UFOET phenomenon in 96, or early 96, at Cambridge,

John Max's program for extraordinary experience research.

At the time, the disclosure, quote, movement was all incipient at best, but in development.

The politics of disclosure was slowly building since 91.

So I like to feel that I help shape the disclosure movement as opposed to joining it.

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