Separation: The Phoenix Lament (Book 6, Chapter 29)
Harry Potter and the Sacred Text
Vanessa Zoltan, Casper ter Kuile & Ariana Nedelman
4.7 • 6.8K Ratings
🗓️ 13 February 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
This week, Vanessa and Casper explore the theme of Separation in Chapter 29 of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince! They discuss the relationship dynamics on display in this chapter, Hagrid’s advice, and the end of Harry’s time at Hogwarts! Throughout the episode we consider the question: what causes us to feel separate from others?
Thank you to Bethany for this week’s voicemail! Next week we're reading Chapter 30, The White Tomb, through the theme of Love with Matt Potts.
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| 0:00.0 | Chapter 29. The Phoenix Lament. Come here, Harry. No. You can't stay here, Harry. Come on. Now. |
| 0:08.8 | No. He did not want to leave Dumbledore's side. He did not want to move anywhere. |
| 0:15.2 | I'm Casper Terkele. And I'm Vanessa Zoltan. And this is Harry Potter and The Sacred Text. |
| 0:23.2 | So the only announcements we have today is that you can get ad-free episodes on Apple Podcasts or through our Patreon at patreon.com slash Harry Potter's Sacred Text, where you are also going to be able to hear an extended version of our theme conversation. So lots of bonuses |
| 0:39.8 | over there, Casper. Love those bonuses. And I have other podcasts where I support them on |
| 0:46.3 | Patreon and I get the ad-free version. It's so much better. So much better. So worth it. |
| 0:52.2 | So anyway, if you haven't done that before highly recommend yeah so |
| 0:55.4 | Vanessa it's my turn to tell a story on the theme of separation and something happened to me |
| 1:00.8 | just a few nights ago I went dancing with some friends and I was having a great time and at 1230 a.m. |
| 1:09.2 | exactly really I looked at like my phone to see what time it was. 12.30, |
| 1:14.2 | something happened on the dance floor that I want to tell you about. But first, I need to give |
| 1:18.0 | you a little context. So I've always been very, like, open about being gay, but I've never really |
| 1:23.2 | felt part of a gay community. Like, that's always felt, I don't know, like abstract or, like, |
| 1:29.5 | I wasn't part of it. Like, there was some kind of cool gay kid group that I did not belong to. |
| 1:35.6 | Invitations went out and they lost your address. Yeah. They said, we'll call you and they never called. |
| 1:41.2 | And so, like, I think gay spaces have always felt slightly foreign to me, |
| 1:47.3 | or at least, like, that I don't belong there, sadly. |
| 1:50.9 | And over the last year, like, I've really been trying to work at that. |
| 1:53.9 | Like, Sean and I started a gay book club, and I was like, yay, gays. |
| 1:57.7 | And we're talking about books that have gay themes. And I love it. And just being like |
| 2:02.6 | really much more proactive about, you know, I hosted this kind of folk drag midsummer experience. |
| 2:08.0 | And I've been going to drag shows and just really like investing in queer community in a big |
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