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I've spent so much time listening to parents and children and people that work supporting

families about the challenges that are there in the current system.

So I do want to remove that fight.

Just think it's a joke, an absolute joke.

We fight hard enough.

There are children that physically can't cope in the mainstream school. We're looking at putting children into boxes yet again and categorising them.

We know that those needs are very much individual.

A few days after the government unveiled its radical changes to special educational needs

provision, what's the reaction from MPs, parents and teachers? Plus, political rule number one,

never pick a fight with Martin Lewis. The government is under increasing pressure to take action on student loans.

I'm John Harris and you're listening to Politics Weekly for The Guardian.

Joining me today is my Politics Weekly co-host, the Guardian's policy editor, Kieran and Stacey. Hi, Kieran.

Hey, John.

Right, let's go back to Monday, very big policy announcement this week, long delayed, much anticipated on England's system of provision for kids with special educational needs and disabilities or send. We've had over a year of briefings and whispers and at least one and possibly two postponement of the big announcement.

The government finally set out its plans for sweeping reform of England's send system on Monday in Peterborough.

And in Westminster and beyond, those plans are still being picked through, commented on and criticised.

Kieran, you went to Peterborough to hear the Education Secretary.

And did.

Bridget Phillips and make that big announcement. It feels to me there are two sides, really, to the aftermath of this announcement, the reaction to it. One is all about the government and Westminster and Labour MPs in particular and how they'll react. And then there's another conversation about what actual people affected are feeling out into the real world. Let's talk about Westminster, first of all. What do you

think has been the sort of snap reaction from Labour MPs? Well, I think actually Bridget Philipson's

going to be feeling pretty happy right now at the end of this pretty long and exhausting week for her.

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