On this episode of the Playbook, I have the incredible Marion Williamson,

presidential candidate, New York Times, best-selling author, political activist,

and spiritual thought leader. We're going to talk about her new podcast and substack,

transform, but more importantly, we're going to talk about the best political platform

and life platform, kindness. Join me for all this and more on the Playbook.

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playbook to success, and what made them champions on the field and in the boardroom.

I'm your host, David Meltzer. I have the incredible I've been waiting

for ever for this Marion Williamson. She is of course a New York Times best-selling author

multiple times, a political activist, presidential candidate, and a spiritual thought leader,

and also a mentor of mine from afar, as many people are. Welcome to the Playbook, Marion.

Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me, at some honor.

You know, I've been waiting to ask one question because I've been able to reconcile these disparate

life experiences of my own with religion and spirituality and business, and you know,

it's been a journey to say the least, and you've added an ingredient that I just am so puzzled

how you can reconcile spirituality, religion, and politics. And I was hoping that we could start

before even talking about your wonderful podcast and the sub-stack that you have called Transform.

I was hoping you could help me with the reconciliation between those three of how we can reconcile

politics with spirituality and religion. Well, spirituality is the path of the heart.

Spirituality is the core universal value that is at the heart of all the great religious

teachings. And it's not a separate category from the rest of life. A lot of people say,

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