Hello there and welcome to the thinking fellow's podcast. My name is Caleb and today I'm joined by Scott

Keith, Adam Francisco and our friend Dave Zoll. How are you doing today, Dave? Doing great. You were on the show

two years ago at the same conference that we're sitting at now. We're at the here. We still stay in 2019

conference in San Diego. We're going to be here again

next year so if you didn't get to join us for the live podcasting or for the many planaries and

breakouts that the people at this table have had then you can join us next year tickets are already on

sale technically we'll be in lohoya next year yeah but we'll we'll also be, yeah, whatever. I'm just saying.

Same difference.

Yeah, San Diego-ish.

But you can join us then, and then we'll do a live podcasting today.

This isn't live.

We just try to cram as many podcasts as we possibly can while everybody's in town, and it's a good thing.

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Today we're going to talk about, well,

Seculosity, which is Dave's new book, which has been well reviewed

and it's made the rounds. It's, uh, it's been great to see just how well this has taken off.

And the reason we wanted to do this is we actually, uh, as, where as we do it, we got sort of

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