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The Orvis Fly-Fishing Podcast

Secrets of the World's Most Successful Permit Angler, with Mike Ward

The Orvis Fly-Fishing Podcast

James Hathaway

Bass, Fishing, Bonefish, Wilderness, Flyfishing, Trout, How To, Steelhead, Bluegill, Fly, Orvis, Sports, Salmon, Panfish, Education, Rosenbauer

4.81.9K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 92 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Mike Ward [46:32], owner of Adipose Boat Works, recently tied Del Brown's lifetime permit count with 513 permit caught on a fly rod. On a bamboo fly rod! Now Mike would be the first one to say he may not be the world's best permit angler, but he has put in the time and energy to catch more than anyone else in history. And along the way he's learned some tips that we could all benefit from. I asked Mike to share his tips with us and he happily agreed. And, yes, Mike has also been skunked for days at a time when chasing permit so it happens to all of us.

In the Fly Box this week, we introduce a new theme song and have some of the best questions of the year, including:
I saw a couple cutthroats in a high lake spawning in August and none of the fish were rising, despite plenty of insects on the water. Would one spawning pair cause to whole lake to shut down like this?
What are some tips for casts to use on small brushy streams?
What are some tips for getting into saltwater fly fishing after a lifetime of trout fishing?
What advice would you give to a young fly angler who wants to make a living in the fly-fishing world?
Can you summarize when you might use a particular type of thread in fly tying?
What can I do to prevent my fly line loop from cracking when I attach a leader directly to the loop with a clinch knot?
Has your view of rod length for small streams changed over time?
If I find a great pool on a small stream, how long should I rest it before going back? A week? A month? Next year?
I have had some broken hooks from commercial fly patterns yet on my own flies they never do this. Are commercial flies tied on lesser quality hooks? And why do some hooks bend while others break?
Do you recommend magnifiers for tying on small flies? My eye doctor says my close vision is fine but I still have problems.
Should I replace my nylon tippet every year? Do fly shops make sure they rotate their tippet material so I don't buy older tippet?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, what do you think of that new new theme music? Do you like it?

0:25.8

It's too bad if you don't because that's the new theme music and I like it.

0:30.5

And the music is the intro from a song called Loisden by Daniel Kimbrough.

0:38.3

And Daniel is a friend and a fishing buddy.

0:41.8

I met him at the Green Mountain Bluegrass Festival last year.

0:44.5

And he has really increased my music sophistication,

0:50.3

particularly around bluegrass.

0:51.8

And we've had a lot of fun fishing together haven't we

0:54.2

Daniel we have yeah Daniel's here in the podcast studio with me and uh we're gonna play you the

1:00.0

the entirety of Loisden at the end of the podcast but Daniel you want to just just briefly tell

1:07.5

people what the song is about sure thanks for Thanks for having me, first of all.

1:13.0

Yeah, so Loishton, L-O-Y-S-T-O-N, if you want to do any, you know, internet searching about it.

1:20.8

Loistin is a town in Tennessee that is underwater when the Tennessee Valley Authority built.

1:26.8

The dam's Norris Dam was the first one constructed

1:31.0

and that is just a few miles up the road north of where I live in Knoxville, Tennessee.

1:38.9

And there's a really cool campground where some friends of my wife stay often and they had told us about it

1:49.0

and we have gone and stayed there with them and it's called Loisden Point campground and so I said

1:54.7

why is it called Loisden Point and it's because it's on the Loisden Sea and why is it called Loisden Sea?

2:00.2

Well that's because underneath the Loisden Sea is the old town that used to be along the

2:05.5

Clinch River, and now it's underneath Norris Lake.

2:08.2

And I grew up on another TVA Lake in Morristown, Tennessee, and it's called Cherokee Lake.

2:15.7

And that's on the Holston River.

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