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Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street Radio

Secrets of Restaurant Design: An Insider Tells All

Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street Radio

Milk Street Radio

Food, Arts

4.42.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 May 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Famed architect and designer David Rockwell shares the best, worst and most hidden aspects of restaurant design. He recalls his favorite projects, from Sushi Zen to Union Square Cafe, and the tiny details you should pay attention to the next time you go out to eat. Plus, Nathalie Cooke takes us on a quirky journey through the history of menus; Adam Gopnik pays tribute to the legendary achievements of Alice Waters; and we prepare a no-cook Tiramisu.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is Moastreet Radio from PRX, and I'm your host, Christopher Kimball.

0:08.8

Today we're looking at restaurants from all the angles.

0:11.8

For architect David Rockwell, a good meal begins with great restaurant design.

0:16.8

And there's many, many things that go into designing a restaurant and having to be successful

0:21.6

that you'll never see, like, service stations being close enough that they can see the guests

0:27.6

or the kitchen being situated in a way the food gets there warm, the lighting, presenting the food in the right way.

0:35.6

Those are all elements that go to creating this unique creation

0:38.1

that then takes a life of its own.

0:41.3

The anatomy of a well-designed restaurant

0:42.9

that's coming up later in the show.

0:45.3

But first, we're starting with the menu.

0:48.2

Author Nathalie Cook joins me now.

0:50.7

Nathalie, welcome to Milk Street.

0:52.7

Thanks so much. I'm delighted to be here.

0:55.9

I've spent a fair amount of time around menus, but you have a phrase called a cryptic menu.

1:03.6

What is a cryptic menu? Yeah, well, there was something we discovered called an enigmatical Bill of Fair.

1:13.1

We've discovered thousands of them, actually, and they were menus, all, and riddles,

1:18.9

typically British from the 18th and early 19th century.

1:23.9

And when I first found one, it was a handwritten in a manuscript book, and I didn't give it a second

1:31.0

glance, but it was a colleague who came and said, wait a minute, look at what that item is,

1:37.1

and it said, you know, what Adam gave Eve instead of actually a piece of food. And then we realized

1:43.9

that this whole table setting was actually in riddles.

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