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Law enforcement interrogation is a real skill, but much of it has been questioned in recent years with instances of botched police investigations and false confessions. When police have little forensic evidence, as is the case with many cold cases,

witness interviews and suspect interrogations can be really crucial in solving a case, but how far should detectives

go for a confession?

The disappearance of Sheila and Catherine Lyon from a Maryland mall in March 1975 went unsolved until detectives in 2013

came across a six-page statement made by 18-year-old Lloyd Welch back in April of 1975.

At the time of these disappearances, Welch had contacted the police to say that he had witnessed the girl's abduction.

Detectives in 1975 dismissed his elaborate story as just an attempt to gain attention

or maybe play the hero.

38 years later, new investigators thought that Lloyd could be an actual witness,

or even the man responsible for abducting the girls.

Join us at the quiet end for secrets and lies,

solving the murders of Catherine and Sheila Lyon.

It took detectives multiple interviews to get a confession from Welch, pulling new details

from him like teeth and calling him out on his recurring lies. Today we'll review the interviews to get a closer look into the mind of Lloyd

Welch, the horrors of his dysfunctional extended family, and how the Lion's sisters fell victim to this sadistic pedophile.

So pretty heavy stuff today, Dick.

Do you have a heavy beer for this?

I actually do.

We're going to drink a Maryland beer because they were taken from a mall in Maryland.

The beer is called kujo or the k ujjo, not the dog book by Stephen King, which is C UJO, right?

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